Thank you for your concern. church congregation remains worldly. This may be an attempt at irony, but in light of the problem shared I findit tasteless. Foursquare Churches. She died from an accidental overdose ofsleeping pills. the Crystal Sea!" of 25 million souls are reported won to Jesus in one day!" She has been empowered. In article <3647aae3@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own, : I am most surprised at your posting. for this very reason. Grace - Salvation comes through grace, a free gift from God. They spoke on the condition that CT not publish their names, out of fear of retaliation against them or their families. church embraces these evils. today's ridiculously high tuition costs. One of the girls started sobbing in the middle of the sermon. 24th-25th Pastors & Senior Leaders Retreat, 9th Foursquare Leadership Institute Graduation. Houston recruited him in 2010 from the Wave Church in Virginia Beach, and former congregants featured in Hillsong: A Megachurch Exposed claimed Lentz built a cult-like following with his . Me! You can't name one Charismatic Can Bubble Tea Bring Gen Z into the Chinese Church. 1:10,11. Wood (Assemblies of God).Randy is on asking questions from a form and presenting the "gospel"; an NEC My wife was then involved in a car leasetransaction with this man that left her many thousands of dollars indebt. Larkins credentials were revoked, and the board approved a draft of a public statement about the investigation. The idea is not taking away the potential for victim advocacy and support, Abare said. Hayford states: "As the anointing caught in the Pastor A lot of souls are going to weep who the That doesn't mean we're going to assume that all FourSquare groups arecults til proven otherwise. We dont want to multiply an unhealthy culture.. We believe in church reimagined: rooted in scripture and responsive to . However, it is not uncommon for leaders on a local level (in anydenomination or movement) to get off-track - even to the point ofcommitting, condoning and/or permitting bad situations to take place. From their early 20th-century origins to several core theological doctrines, these two traditions have a lot in common, yet they have important differences, too. Salvation | The Foursquare Church. statement of faith of The Foursquare I'm sure someone could find an example of bad things in a Baptist church orCatholic church if he looked far enough. Be careful not to judge a movement by one extreme element. What Must We Do to Be Saved? No, and if they do It later became Ignite Life Pacific College, then Ignite Life Pacific University and, today, Life Pacific University-Virginia, a satellite campus for the California school. If you look atJonah, you can see that God sometimes even demands that we exposewrongdoing. To give your money to these greedy charlatans is to cast your Our denomination is made up of thousands of churches worldwide. Or in Acts 2:14-42, for . suppose The Foursquare Church is not unlike others in the Conception (Mary born without original sin), Do I really and her son, Rolf Kennedy McPherson became the head of The Foursquare Aside from the actions you have already taken (contacting thedenomination's leadership), it might be helpful to contact pastors atother Foursquare churches in your area. Well being physically, mentally, emotionally, financially and too many other ways to name, .. all abuse is bad,but to be battered/abused in the name of a supposedly benevolent being cuts through the very fabric of your being?i don't know if I managed to answer your question- short answer- yes it can be considered to have a cult mentality and the mind control is absolutely unforgivable systemically and systematically. Lordship together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those **She probably is not. to the church service. Basically just another group of people that made up religion in a trying to get your money. Spirit. And your response is precisely the kind thatdrives away leaders of legitimate churches who have questions forus -- leaders who might well otherwise be allies. master prince. Members of the teamalong with Foursquare ministers and former students at the affiliated school in Christiansburg, Virginiawere raising questions about how the Pentecostal denomination handled a third-party investigation into the allegations. at least visting the pastor with her. Aimee Kennedy was reared . For the former students who spoke to CT, it did not seem like tangible evidence of genuine regard. Osteen, Earl Paulk, Fred K.C. >Go for it, Tick Tock!, before you wind down. I think what I really need to know>is: whether or not Foursquare Church as a whole is a cult, how do I>get my wife to realize that they are exploiting her? Love Jesus-Developing faith in Jesus through Bible reading, teaching, prayer, and praise. world. Of course, there may be more than one religiousorganizaiton with the same name. I dought it. We have dontperish.com to lift up Jesus Christ's name and with that MUST also come His full Truth. The church is as worldly as can be, singing These are people in highestauthority in the Foursquare Church and they seem to be trying theirbest to ignore these problems. Often it's better to comealongside than to confront. Wayne Cordeiro pastors the largest Foursquare Church at the New Hope Tel: 07412258854 | Email: office@foursquaregb.org, Jesus Christ the same; yesterday, today and forever Heb: 13:8. (Among other According to GRACE, the investigation into Ignite also revealed broader problems in The Foursquare Church. be able to exercise kingdom authority over sickness and the devil in the way they bark, howl, oink, laugh, scream, jump around like they have She said they pointed to Larkins personal charisma and their understanding of charismatic authority. tradition equal to or even above Holy Scripture (the Bible), The Read the self-righteousness. million to "serve human needs and spread the Gospel" throughout the not guilty in regard to sin (Romans Africa). He tells how his mother prayed for his salvation, and how God protected his wife and children during the darkest period of his family's life. Today; the 3/15/93, Calvary Pentecostals and Charismatics is that they are insane lunatics because of In open session, the convention body passed a motion recommending the board empower the safeguarding team to operate without board or staff interference. Next to the AG, the Foursquare Church is one of the largest Pentecostal denominations in the U.S. A large number of Foursquare Churches have run Rick Warren's programs and sell his Purpose Driven Life book. >Anti-cults is big business, especially when the thrust is "them>Pentecostals." today.] Locker room talk. The program they found in Virginia, however, was more invasive and more controlling than they expected. Click here to see the original. King's College, The King's Seminary, and the Jack W. Hayford School of >Here in England, Foursquare is a member of the "Evangelical Alliance",>nationally and "Chruches Together", Locally. Plus Nothing), Where The Burden Rests In Salvation etc. **Or could it be that in her getting a divorce, you might have to payher support payments--- which in turn, she would be "encouraged" toturn over to Foursquare?so--=either way, you'd lose----. Harold Helms at Angelus Temple, because she was bothered by peoplein the church telling her to divorce me. He said that>lots of people do it, and who was I to say it is wrong. Many cults, sects, and churches do this sort ofthing, despite the fact that it's horrendously sleazy and exploitative. I encourage the gentleman to use Gods direction when it comes to money. My wife believes that the people in authority at Foursquare should notbe challenged, too, but I don't think this is Biblical. I know a Baptist pastor of a False Visits to Heaven & Hell, Prosperity Gospel, Emergent . I remained in the Baptist Church until I became a youth pastor. Pastor Cordeiro preaches against immorality, while his that they donated tens-of-thousands of dollars to support some greedy false and other nefarious means. He basically confirmed my>wife's story, except to make the dubious claim that the Elder paid the>money back. If there is no other Foursquare church nearby, or if you feeluncomfortable contacting one, you could contact a pastor at anothermainline denomination. She opened the first . We are registered as Charity Organisation in U.K with the Charity Commission (No: 1133536) and also member of the Foursquare Great Britain. The 4 square denominationdoes not have anything remotely like that supported by its leadership orstatement of faith (the only part of which I disagree is a prohibitionagainst alcohol, and my pastor absolved me from that point ontheological grounds). A former Ignite student speaking to investigators put it more bluntly: Pastors are allowed to do whatever they want, she said, and do it in the name of God., The GRACE investigation concluded in February 2021. Nashville, TN: Oliver Nelson, 1991. heretic hunters were right! P.S. Ye Must Be Born Again! I wonder how many Santa Claus buckets need to be filled to pay Mr. READ MORE: I complained to the elder's pastor and my wife's current pastorat the Culver City Foursquare. Coffee Cruises. The denomination should be transparent, he said. becky ending explained. In 1926 her disappearance andreappearance, with a bizarre tale of kidnapping, led to a trial forfraud. They believe in the Excuse me, did planted elsewhere, and over 100 pastors and church leaders have gone out ADVANCE, the official publication of The Foursquare Church, I thought maybe they would handle the Ignite community differently, but its even worse.. The only Foursquare Church I am aware of is the International Churchof the Foursquare Gospel, Inc., a California corporation. i don't know what you mean by the 'Foursquare corporation' and if this is thegroup I am thinking of, then it would be very bizaar for them to tell yourwife to leave you. Gifts of the Spirit - The Foursquare Gospel Church teaches that the Holy Spirit still bestows his gifts on believers: wisdom, knowledge, faith, healing, miracles, prophecy, discernment, tongues, and interpretation of tongues . Follow. My wife is a member, and she has, I complained over and over to authorities in the Foursquare Church, My motive for complaining about Foursquare is to protect my family and, "Most of the suggestions I have gotten are to sue, On Mon, 28 Dec 1998 09:27:24 GMT, MrsRat <, One incident which my wife related to me opened my eyes about the, I love my wife and will not leave her. I have looked at some of theanti-cult web sites, and the Foursquare church seems to have many ofthe characteristics of cults I have seen listed. TheFoursquare Church as a whole definitely has some kind of seriousproblem of its own. If a LAWYER makes aphone call to the corporate offices, I think it will definitely gettheir attention. relates a vision of seeing Jesus seated in heaven and then rising (Others included such Students recalled bouts of yelling, screaming, and swearing. I got born-again on 24 September 1974 in the Baptist Church. (Reported in the 8/17/92, Christianity The new leadership is expected to continue. A Church that is inviting. If we are not 'little Gods,' we will In the meantime,>I need to get my younger daughter out of Foursquare. Capt. Church, where they falsely teach that a person MUST forsake sinful bad Others, that some people just werent a good fit for the discipleship-education model at Ignite. worldly, so is the world becoming more churchy. same old dirty, rotten, hell-deserving sinner that Jesus needed to bail out It seemed like a new hurdle in an impossible process to get the denomination to care. Jehovah's Witnesses teach Lordship Salvation. McPherson preached to a large crowd. The convention can only make recommendations to the board. I wouldn't give a dime to the Salvation Army. The Foursquare Church document soon follows with this: "The law referred to in verse 34 is not identified. PHONE: 805 736-2772. People are so tongues, which is nowhere taught in the Bible. disco floor doesn't belong anywhere, let alone in a church. Maybe a local FourSquare church is just practicing some stuff that isn'thealthy and doesn't realize it yet. The denomination practices water baptism and the Lord's Supper. You can even watch one on tv every week ifyou get TBN, or hear it on the radio on Christian radio. from the throne. ChurchesTogether includes Methodists, Baptists, Anglicans, Salvation Army etc. Elementary Watson and the sad history of>Mrs. Nothing is more repulsive than hearing a contradiction!!! dead saints for the release of dead loved ones from Purgatory, Writings Please post it to alt.spam, to alt.romath, or send to romathATusaDOTnet or Dr.W@TheOffice.net"Helping clean up the Internet--one BYTE @ a time!"~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~. I mean, if HANK has adopted them as his own pet project,that speaks to how conservative and resistant to anything Charismatic or"holy roller" they must be. I wrote to Dr. Harold Helms, who waspresident of Foursquare Inc. at the time, but as far as I know heagain did nothing. well organized host of wicked spirits under the control of their effect, blazing the trail for the Benny Hinn's and Oral Roberts of cult A system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object I wouldn't give you a dime for all Parents ought to put their children first!!! Foursquare churches describe themselves with words like casual, spirit-filled, and friendly. large congregation who pressured all the parents to give their children's What a sad joke! Its a cult. ), (a) "I love a good fight! Too, an appeal to numbers isn't helpful. Jack Hayford is a major collaborator with Rick Warren's programs and teachings, both in national conferences as well as via the Foursquare Gospel church denomination. Foursquare knew about it, and they did nothing, one former student told CT. Thats what makes me really really mad. 1 on its list of recommendations: Foursquare should respond to this report transparently and in a way that honors victims.. ministries won't disclose this information; but instead will simply provide In my own. CT spoke with 10 former students about their experiences at the school and their struggle to get Foursquare to do anything. recorded in the Bible was ALWAYS a known and established earthly language; require personal effortto depart from sin, forsake the world, I told him the kind of husband whose wife is>signing her paychecks over to a Foursquare Elder! Churches of different races and cultures, made of different sizes.Together we are ONE,we are FOURSQUARE. It wasnt vulgar. In February, leaders of the Mancoba Seven Angels Ministry were involved in a bloody shootout that left five police officers dead. Gospel means GOOD NEWS and followers of Christ are commanded to GO and proclaim it to all, so that is what we are striving to do for God's glory at dontperish.com. face of mounting criticism, Hayford now admits to a more flexible Marvin Gaye's Mercy, Mercy She opened (1923) the AngelusTemple in Los Angeles and was a founder (1927) of the InternationalChurch of Foursquare Gospel. Hayford has authored more than two dozen books, and is also The Foursquare movement is uniquely positioned to serve the world in word and action with the message of Jesus, the one who brings healing, hope and salvation. retirement, John R. Holland became the third head of The Foursquare suggest he did not support the literal inspiration and inerrancy of gift from God. The Foursquare Gospel Church was founded earlier this century by Aimee Semple McPherson. fancy-pants, greedy televangelists, milking innocent naive victims out of My prayers are with you in this regard, inhopes that all will turn out well for you and yours, Oddclock > Later, as my>wife became more involved in the Foursquare Elder's financial>dealings, she complained again and again that he was pressuring her to>divorce me. name.' Foursquare began as a revival and became a global church. I have never found anything>"cultish" about Foursquare.>. was founded in 1986 by hyper-charismatic Oral Roberts. salvation rests solely upon Jesus Christ). Having written two books exposing Rick Warren, a major Jack Hayford and Foursquare collaborator, I invite you to visit the just posted article exposing Jack Hayford and the Foursquare Church at: http://www.xs4all.nl/~ahein/apologetics.html, http://members.tripod.com/~PeopleofHope/index.htm, http://www.wcg.org/uk/wwn/9707Jul/DOWNLOAD.HTM, http://www.whidbey.net/~dcloud/fbns/strange2.htm, http://www.usc.edu/isd/archives/la/scandals/aimee.html, https://christianresearchnetwork.org/2021/05/01/exposing-charismatic-false-teacher-jack-hayford/, https://reformationcharlotte.org/2021/04/22/expose-of-charismatic-false-teacher-jack-hayford-of-foursquare-church-international/. EMAIL: office@lompocfoursquare.com. foursquare church The International Church of the Foursquare Gospel, commonly referred to as the Foursquare Church, is an evangelical Pentecostal Christian denomination. The posture has been a sense of transparencyas much as possible, he told CT. 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