If you guys haven't watched this guy, you should. Delphi police and the prosecutor's office said a public court hearing will be set to determine if the documents, including the affidavit in the case, will remain under seal. Not even Becky Patty and she was probably more devastated than anyone and probably still is. There were definitely some perverse acts done to these girls, but I believe they were done to them after they were already dead. There is a rumor of a falling out between the two men at some time before the crime. Furthermore, when people say that I, Robert Lindsay, have no sources, no documents, on and on, please keep something in mind. No, he came up with the lost my keys gambit to explain why his car sat at the cemetery from 6:30 PM the day of the crime to 12:30 PM the next day when the girls bodies were found, a period of 18 full hours. He took an undocumented deer trail and evaded the encountering of any individual upon his departure. I apologize for all of the questions. Im from the UK too and once a crowd beat up a Paediatrician because they mistakenly thought it meant he was a paedophile. Unverified. Dads not talking. At least two prior marriages. I just got banned from Twitter again for no real good reason, so Im not feeling that great. Say a POI ends up arrested for any type of felony; with probable cause, LE can then run their DNA through CODIS. There are many people who confuse him with PB in comments and videos. She recorded them for a good six minutes and definitely longer. Yes, this man is the prime suspect at the moment, but that doesnt mean a whole lot. Case in point - he said last time that his suspect was currently in jail. Of course, we empathize with their losses, but sympathy wears thin when someone is screaming in your face. We dont know if or when he worked for them before or after. 6) He has a family member thats buried in the cemetery near the Monon Bridge. However, the other three have only peripheral involvement and may have committed no crime! The point is that that Mr. Holder had nothing to do with this crime. I tend to suspect the latter of the two rather than the former. Important friendships: Very casual friend of Mike Patty, father of one of the girl victims. So, yes, although the Evansdale girls were mere skeletons when found, LE believes they were posed. The behavior of LE throughout the entirety of this case is, to put it as nicely as possible, questionable, and to state the truth, just plain stupid. The crime was committed in February 13 or 2/13. So when LE said the younger sketch is the one who committed the crime, they were correct! But they used experts to clean it up with fancy software and groups of experts got together to try to figure out what was being said. Tony Kline is 65, 310 pounds! Cop: Come on, man, we know you did it. Featured Americans eat long list of food banned in other countries Save hundreds by using this free tax prep service Pat Sullivan: Late winter landscape do's and don'ts I will. You learn which rumors have promise and which have not panned out. Skip provides a notable suspect at the scene with a shady storyline, but we still are left in the dark about motive. But the police are having a very hard time gathering enough evidence against this man to take it to court. IMHO there is a main suspect, and I dont really care if everyone is pointing elsewhere. Stop. . Thats very embarrassing. Now, Im not a member of LE, and I have never claimed to have investigation experience, but I believe Im a fairly intelligent person with at least average reasoning skills. Mr. Xs wife, his daughter, and Becky Patty are now putting out a story that Mr. X never lost his keys in the first place. Also theres only one way for LE to know that BG filmed his crime if the rumors about sending video of the crime to the girls phones afterwards is true. We dont know about you all, but when we go visit our friends, we generally dont park a quarter mile away and hike in. In particular, user/tobor is excellent. @Skip The Delphi Murders Live Special Guest Skip Jansen No views Sep 24, 2022 Tonight I will welcome my special guest Skip Jansen as we discuss current events going on in the Delphi case.. I was never aware that anyone had any good evidence against this harmless-looking fellow. Point is that he may have never had ceased offending. If this main POI isnt the bridge guy, he is definitely, without a doubt in my mind, involved in the murders of Abby and Libby in some form or fashion. Only if he had sent this much audio to one of the girls phones after the crime. Innocent people are hurt and killed in these cases, but theyre not really high profile and we dont have time to mess with this epidemic. We all go through shit in our lives, but if she wants to stop making enemies, she can stop picking fights. Do you believe your POI acted alone to abduct and eventually kill the girls? DELPHI, Ind. Probably at least 6 weeks pregnant if the rumors are true. Wouldnt 13-14 year old girls be past dolls and stuffed animals? There are cases like this all over the country. @Skip, The only DNA found on the girls was that of Kelsi, sister of Libby. Education history: Primary and junior high unknown. As youve pointed out Mr. X did this before the search party had even assembled, right at the EXACT parcel of land that the girls bodies would be found the next day. Neither Kegan nor Tony Kline can be placed at the bridge on that day or on any other day for that matter. @ Skip, Because it doesnt matter whether I think hes guilty or not. Thats all you can do is refine the theories you have and check stuff off your list with the little info we have been given. You cannot keep your own story straight. I am hoping this will possibly fit with somone elses knowledge and it will be helpful. Try harder. Also, I was interested in whether you may be able to cover Harmony Montgomerys case? The February 2017 killings of teens Abby Williams, 13, and Libby German, 14, in Delphi has drawn international attention. Indiana Packers workboots go up to knee-high, and they are waterproof. No, I wasnt aware that she existed. There are some absolutely fascinating old rumors on there that I have never heard before, mostly having to do with Young BG and his possible presence or involvement at the crime scene. For one, its a gross violation of journalistic ethics, and I was trained to be a journalist I have a BA in Journalism and worked as an editor of a large magazine, among other things. I dont know if they were part of the search parties. I guess Im not sure when he graduated. Im curious if Mr X knew KAK or his father? Wife left him. Im really worried about people bothering or harming this guy and his family. The murders all took place inside of a 10 mile radius and all within just 13 months. Im not saying he is or he isnt, but I would hope that every one of his statements has been gone over with a fine-toothed comb, verified, and re-verified for good measure. I wish I could delete this comment because it made no sense. Double jeopardy? *******If you have information on this case or know who Bridge Guy is, or have had interaction with the anthony_shots profile please contact law enforcement. Robert, I believe Mr. X has an ex-wife. How would she be a few weeks pregnant by a guy that just raped her? Only his hands, particularly focused on his bloody, sausage-like knuckles, could be seen with a caption that read after the brawl.. These guys are mostly narcissists and they dont believe in cooperation. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. There is no way he would come back later to stage anything because he wouldnt know how safe it was or how many law enforcement would be around. He went away for a bit and came back a while later with proof from LE that some of the things we have been reporting as rumors here are absolute fact. Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair Use Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use) , scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. Some people are very insistent that Ron Logan is the killer. Almost zero. Tobor I would love the info bcw4118@gmail.com. Much more on that below. Make I 100% agree about Mr X, and I recently seen a pic of his stepson which I think looks similar to the YBG sketch. Theres a connection that has been missed! First, a pitch for support for this website and our sleuthing group: Our private group is clearly the best Delphi sleuthing group on the Internet by far and has been since it was founded four years ago in 2017. I agree I hope CN and this new guy do sue you. Derek forgets something (scarf?) Several LE officials have said that Abby had a phone, whether with her or not is not known. Thats not very many. Id rather not look into the NHI* (no humans involved) cases in the ghetto where one group of scumbags shoots up some other group of scumbags. Not quite sainthood, but getting there. Abby may have been naked below the waist. Were their clothes found with the bodies at the crime scene? We also have at least one other search warrant for another home. It is high time this comes to fruition. Great job guys presenting this case so well. He states when he got home that night (13th) one of his neighbors had came over to ask if he could search his property, looking for the girls. In 2004, police on Big Pine Key responded to a gruesome scene. BA, Journalism, Cal State University Long Beach, 1981. These are the facts about the man LE suspects is BG. This has helped me a lot. The case for Mr. X is as solid as ever. Why is this current POI receiving more support for his privacy than any others mentioned in 4 years? | ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. They always came home. He met few if any of those girls he was talking to. The bodies were dumped near flowing water, creeks or rivers. Amazing work! !https://www.buymeacoffee.com/KristinTPlease consider joining this channel : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxxGSubscribe: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxxGSources:The Transcript of KAK interrogation with PoliceReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/LibbyandAbby/Disclaimer: All Behind The Crime Door content is for adults only and may contain themes that some individuals find triggering, offensive or disturbing.The intent is not to disrespect viewers or any individuals herein. Some of it, I feel, is the result of intentional obfuscation. A man being eyed in the unsolved 2017 murders of two teens in Delphi, Indiana, has an "evil streak" and is "absolutely capable" of committing that type of crime, his brother said. Let us know if you want to join the private sleuthing site where we can talk about this stuff in much greater detail than we do out here. I find your blog very interesting. The one thing I cannot do is help him get away with his crimes, that is, be an accessory. Train tracks and you guessed it, more fields, parallel to the gas station. They have their own sources. I do not want to see this man or his family harassed in any way. This just doesnt bode well for him, I mean ESPECIALLY if you consider that he asked to search the Logan property and came up empty-handed. Of course she did. Kline admits getting more than 100 sexual pictures and videos of underage girls using the anthony_shots profile. No one has to believe me when I say LE has a main suspect, but there are number of suspects that ought to be put to rest. That is the statement from the woman on the search team. The dickheads there were trolling and harrassing him. This goes on all the time, however. Did he sleep? @ Skip, These are simply unverified rumors. I could know that some guy was a serial killer with 10 victims, and I dont have to go to the police. Now, a new person of interest in the case has finally been identified. A log was placed in front of one of the girls, and a doll was placed in front of the other girl. The Narcotics detective did not work on the case. Sorry for this poorly worded question. If it was deleted it's probably because he is the one on the actual physical witch hunt in actual real life. Weve been proven correct on eight different things that only the police could have known. What makes even less sense to me are some of the things that they have said or at least have not challenged as not being factual. This proves more of Leigh Kerrs testimony where he said BG sent photos or video to one of the girls phones after the crime. LE asked him to move the vehicle. He parked 1,000 feet away from Rons door, almost a quarter mile away. No one knows if they talked to Ron about Mr. X. I doubt it because Ron keeps saying the killer is this Garrett Kirts, and its not him. The residents of Big Pine Key, Little Torch Key, and No Name Key were frightened and rightfully so. "You want to know what we know one day you will.". Number 5 was told to JM, an excellent local sleuth, and then to us by an Indiana detective who works in Narcotics based on crime scene photos he had seen. This week we continue our coverage of this very high profile case. We wish people would stop talking about fingerprints. Here's what we've learned and what remains unclear: The document, obtained by "Murder Sheet Podcast," was provided to NewsNation affiliate WXIN on Tuesday. Thats technically true but in all my years of playing the part of a PIO and putting out press releases, Ive never intentionally told a lie. How do they know he sent audio/video to one of the girls phones? Via LE Source A, Mr. X s roommate in 2011-2012 in Delphi told LE that BG was absolutely Mr. X. Richard Matthew Allen was arrested for the 2017 double murder of Liberty German and Abigail Williams in October 2022. Were the best Delphi sleuthing group on the Net for years now. Great to see you back on the case! Abby and Libby were murdered after going for a hike near an old bridge in February 2017. They are looking for exactly 43 seconds of audio that BG recorded. youre smart enough you should be able to figure it out by these bomb-sized hints we keep dropping. If I happened to be out that day lets say partying or doing some stuff that maybe I shouldnt have been doing, and I witnessed something and had information Im telling you right now, I would think twice, then I would think two more times before I would even consider coming forward because I would be scared shitless that LE would throw my ass in jail for something completely unrelated just like they did to RL. The search warrant list a number of items that LE is looking for. Literally anyone can be a journalist. He was also scared to join her group because I was in there and he was afraid of me. The date of the crime and the time of the abduction are both 2-13. For whatever reason, she confuses facts all the time and cant keep her stories straight. Is he somebody big in law enforcement? ***************Tip Line: 735-822-3535Email tips to: abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.comBehind The Crime Door Intro courtesy of:Graphics done by: Grizzmaticly Clever Music by: Techdeath Hippie https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyOgSong: The RequiemTip Line: 844-459-5786 Email tips to: abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com One last side note.. Nic stated in the podcast that Indiana collects DNA for all individuals convicted of a felony but it's actually anyone arrested for a felony, which is a much lower threshold. Keep sleuthing, youre on point to what I see. By that I mean that he probably has offended many times but being transient affords one the luxury of not getting caught. CARROLL COUNTY, Ind. You dont have LE sources. @Amber- Yes, a lot of our very early information turned out wrong, but now that we have studied the case much more clearly, our view of the case is getting a lot more accurate as we are able to rule in or out various rumors and hypotheses. Why not join the 240+ members who have already signed up for the best Delphi sleuthing team of all? They are within the video. Unverified but Likely. It just opens himself up for litigation that proves he did it. FSG has been someone that I cannot let go of either. But after reading all of this my personal opinion I think 3 people are involved. DP placed himself at the scene, has changed his story and lied to LE. There would have to be some sort of connection to Mr. X for me to suspect him, and I dont see any as of yet other than odd behavior in searching for the girls. Becky Patty: Obviously theyre not accusing her of the homicides! Never knew what the case was against this man other than that he had property near the bridge, and he and his wifes alibi of being out of the state traveling got a bit mangled. If you wish to join, please go here. There was some sort of a large object, apparently of toy, at the crime scene that was too large for BG to have had it with him on the bridge. Got it? Seine Erfahrung BG is a 50 year old man. Yes. At 1:35 p.m. on February 13, 2017, 13-year-old Abigail Joyce "Abby" Williams and 14-year-old Liberty Rose Lynn "Libby" German were dropped off by German's older sister, Kelsi German, on County Road 300 North, east of the Hoosier Heartland Highway.The girls were hiking on the Monon High Bridge over Deer Creek, among woodland in remote Deer Creek Township. Every podcast is all about them! The man who owns the document is not happy with us going public with these docs. I want to be respectful to someone who is innocent until proven guilty also. This whole case just reeks of something stinky every which way you turn. I also have to disagree with you about your criticism of the police for calling off the search at 3 AM. We believe he just told LE she was coming, it went out over the scanner, and she never showed up. He is one of the first and only witnesses in this case!!. Hard to believe that there are two DPs and two QPs in such a small area. Only a deer kit looks just like that. Twice in the the Evansdale Murders, LE thought they were certain that they had the right man. Hobbies: Raising goats, riding and fixing up Harley-Davidson motorcycles, very avid deer hunter, handicrafting wooden signs. I understand that all of my information may not be correct! I have one more message for you. If so, why? Sorry, Ive been a bit down lately. Urinating is no problem, but what if he had to defecate? I thought nobody looked like the BG in the actual video than PB (especially compared to that FB image with a deer)But now, not a chanceKirts fits that mofo better than allIts in the cheeks, the spit, etcThe cops have known for a while its him too I think. (WISH) Investigators believe the bodies of Abby Williams and Libby German were "moved and staged" at the Delphi murder scene, according to court documents obtained by I-Team 8. Skip- in one of the episodes you dropped DP brothers name Q A quick search shows that he was arrested and faces charges of child moderation charges (at least someone named QP from Delphi). His brother looks very much like him (for example! The suspect's name was on the executioner's Snapchat account, and he was a member of the group. It was also asked How did BG get across that knee-high stream in the middle of winter without nearly getting hypothermia? The girls would have also been subject to hypothermia?? A famous one is the Lewiston Killer in Lewiston, Idaho in the late 1970s. Murders. Merch: https://www.behindthecrimedoor.shop/Donate to My PayPal: https://paypal.me/behindthecrimedoorMy Website: https://behindthecrimedoor.webador.com/Buy Me A Tea: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/KristinTBTCD Community Guidelines. You think Im stupid? Also, a copy of the police scanner is available showing that Mr. Xs wife is supposed to be coming to the site to retrieve Mr. Xs truck. Maybe on a dark spiritual level, yes, but I think the Delphi killer has nothing to do with the other murders now. Shameful. Interesting. So, the girls were found on RLs property. Relationship with younger daughter: Excellent, she is very fond of him. Unfortunately, its not free. Ages approximate. So I would definitely hang the jury and let Mr. X walk, and in all probability, BG would be free to walk the streets again. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. CM: Not even going to bother to reveal his name. What? X. The casing from the .40 caliber gun still remains within the creek. February 13 is 2/13. Im leaving it at that. I saw the local Delphi News footage from the week of the murders where they interview Ron Logan while they are actually searching his property. Holder has an alibi that he was working out at a gym at the time. He said there could be an issue with DP's witness statement because DP wasn't read his miranda rights. No, LK is the real deal. Instead of attacking the guy, why not support him! 5) He parked near the cemetery, but not at the cemetery. Im nothing at all like how they describe me. A podcast called The Murder Sheet talked to another woman who said her interactions with Kline started when she was only 12 years old. The one through line in this debate is everyone has asked skip what his credentials are and consistently refuses, then says you can verify this from my Reddit posts - so basically the bar now set by TGC for expert guests is now Reddittor ? I could be completely off base and change my mind tomorrow. Hey, its a capitalist country, right? One problem was we went down the rabbit hole chasing the wrong guy for a couple of years. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, This is a community where we can speak openly about the Murders of Libby and Abby in Delphi, IN, Press J to jump to the feed. There are fields behind his home! No one else reacted that way. These two men, driving in the younger mans black truck with pink stripe, were witnessed in the vicinity on or near the cemetery road at approximately 5:30 AM February 14, 2017. They take hikers and bikers past architectural gems. Skip, thanks for responding to my question. We believe that those reactions were overblown. DAs require a very high standard of evidence to bring a homicide charge against someone. White scarf covering the lower half of his face. Thanks for all the info much appreciated. Delphi Murders /// Under the Bridge /// Part 1 /// 509 Part 1 of 3 www.TrueCrimeGarage.com Delphi, Indiana - February 13, 2017 - Middle school students Liberty German and Abigail Williams went for a hike on the Monon High Bridge Trail and were murdered . Do you think someone was sitting in the car at the CPS building waiting for POI? Killer? Thank you!TIP HOTLINE: abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com or (765) 822-353Close SourcesFBI RESOURCESVideos, timeline, maps, interviews etc.https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/new-#delphi #AbbyandLibby #TheDelphimurders #bridgeguy #Truecrime #murder #missing #Indiana #unsolved #justiceforabbyandlibbyFair Use: LET ME BE VERY CLEAR This content on my channel may contain copyrighted content not authorized for use by the owner. Calling off the search the night the girls went missing was a really, really bad choice. Kline was supposed to be in court Thursday, but a judge canceled the appearance. R/LibbyandAbby is awful, but its a lot better than r/DelphiMurders. Who says those videos are from him? We know he had binoculars with him and he told the girls that he was a railroad policeman who had spotted them with binoculars. I know many others will agree that Skip has helped connect a lot of dots for many of us; his comments are always thought provoking and insightful. They believe that when fresh LE eyes looked at the case in 2018 (I think they said GBI) this is what shifted the investigation to look back at him and precipitated the 2019 press conference where LE corrected paths, clarified the correct sketch, and spoke directly to BG/the killer. We may or may not have from 1-8 more official case documents from this case. I dont know if the bridge was within eyeshot of the spot where the girls were found. Of course, there are trolls saying that the information Ive given is info thats already known. Hi Robert, can you tell me if FSG and/or his brother were part of the search parties on either day? You dont need a degree, credential, and a license to do this job, you know. Hi there, have just come across your work and am interested in joining the private group. Can you explain to me how LE would know that BG filmed his crime if he didnt send that crime footage to the girls phones? Indiana State Police annou Entertaining and a breath of fresh air. If the sketch depicting an older suspect truly came from DP attempting to misdirect the investigation, it's very interesting that it bears such a strong resemblance to his father. and that you think he already knew that they would be there.. Delphi Murders /// Under the Bridge /// Part 2 /// 510 Part 2 of 3 www.TrueCrimeGarage.com Delphi, Indiana - February 13, 2017 - Middle school students Liberty German and Abigail Williams went for a hike on the Monon High Bridge Trail and were murdered. A scenario that fits the timelines and witness accounts is as follows. Thank you for all the work on the Delphi case. She has channeled her pain into grief and sadness. Keep in mind that we are not claiming that anything listed below as Unverified is true, although some it has a good chance of being true. If they tried to take it to court, I am almost certain that the judge would throw it out before it even got to the trial stage. There is no way he would come back later to stage anything because he wouldnt know how safe it was or how many law enforcement would be around. On the other hand, a sample with only nine markers is absolutely not usable in court. Relationship with older daughter and stepson: Unknown.