Published on February 15, 2019 02:47 PM. A glock 20 (10 mm) has 16 rounds and with the correct ammo is pushing 41 magnum range. Lions or parts cannot be taken out of Colorado unless inspected and sealed. Great point with the Redhawk recommendation! Good stuff. Do I want to use one as my sidearm? Its often with me in bear country and has made several trips to Alaska. The one time I did push these cases was to experiment with that claim, and after 5 heavy loadings, the primer pockets were very loose, but no sign of any case separation. Two young men from SoCal (where else?) I would want a 45 cal or at least a 9mm double action semi-auto with a chambered cartridge every time. If the attacking bear is perfectly downwind, you will have some chance with bear spray. My grandparents have a home on rockytop Tennessee, with a few caves. Both are excellent sidearms but leave something to be desired when confronting big game in the boonies. He put his mouth directly on top of his head, and I think if the head had been smaller, hed have been picked up.. I love packing iron, but in a 44 mag, 300 grain load minimum for bigger critters. Incidentally I have 2 500 Smith mags, never carry them in bear country. A few years back I went to Alaska, rented a 44 pickup camper,& spent 6 weeks in the boondocks, with only my wife. At the same time, we're trying to be as supportive and helpful to property owners as possible.". At the range, 3 or 4 factory rounds and Ive had enough. With 158-grain bullets moving at nearly 800 fps, this probably represents along with the 9mm Luger the lower end of the spectrum, as far as a defensive bear gun goes. Do you have a problem with this model? He was knocked down to the ground getting mauled fending off the black bear with his left arm while he drew and fired his semi-auto point blank into the bears throat with his right. is probably better than nothing but foolhardy in my opinion. The only real downside is there is not a good rifle to go with the 10 mm. 300 grains is on the low end for 50ae. Smith & Wesson. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. It is same size as glock 21 (45 acp) so you can practice with the 45 for a lot cheaper. For those not familiar with this gun, think Dirty Harry. The .44 Magnum is definite bear medicine. The Freedom Arms Model 83, in .454 Casull, in a serious piece of gear. I enjoyed the article. This is perfect mountain lion habitat. Answer (1 of 12): There's a lot of variables in play with this question and a 9mm pistol round is NOT a good round to take down a large predator with. Once you get over 300gr. Having read that the US Fish and Game guys carried .357 Mag in bear country, but this was in the 1970s, and I have no ides how true that was or is now, I figured 10mm S&W with hardball would do the job even better, but the hunters I hang with think that never gets old. You dont need a laboratory test to confirm that it was behaving strangely. May 24, 2022 Alexis. What I really love I the light weight of the Blackhawk, its great in a shoulder rig. Carry a 5 S&W 500 loaded with 700 gr hardcast from Ballistic Supply. Can a wolf beat a mountain lion? If you carry anything less than a S&W 500 Magnum 4 inch for self protection in this state while in the outdoors you are playing with fire. the 45 Colt has the advantage. Fortunately I was about 80 yds. Its the sick, injured, old one that will risk human contact. Absolute .357 Mag in a revolver for me is a minimum. Also the .454 C uses a rifle primer to handle the high pressure generated whereas the 45 Colt uses a pistol primer. Hornady, Until you dump a 15 rd mag into some calibrated ballistics gel, hold your amateur and mis-informed comments for all the other mommys wanna bes. I wasnt sure if the .357 was really optimal for bear spanking as my father, a hunter and 23 year US Army Combat Veteran would say and couldnt bring myself to splurge on either 10mm or something in the .44 magnum ranges. An interesting piece giving advice from expert typewriter shooters to bear hunters. I finally settled on attempting to use Hodgden Universal powder for the first go, since it shows the potential to give good velocity with the lighter 170-grain bullets. I shot a 1000+ lb. He makes a grizzly look like a cub. Just stay away from me because you are just asking for trouble. A grizzly bear is a formidable foe, having no issue whatsoever proving its dominance over human beings. He has 158 grain, cast SWC and SJSP flat point, +P ammuntion that are showing 890 FPS muzzle velocity on the boxes. I want to be able to pump 8 to 18 rounds in his head as fast as I can. why dont you buy a BB gun for backup. A good friend used to go to Alaska to fish. Id be packing heat. She ran out of there at Mach 3, with her blue hair on fire. That wouldnt do it for me. DRT. One must realize that with the adrendeline flowing, a moving target and possibly poor light conditions it is not easy to hit well with a hand gun no matter how good you are at the range! A mountain lion killed some goats about a half mile from us. A brown bears a Swiss mil-spec mugger, with built-in armor all over, especially around the brain. It seems to be a matter of carrying largest caliber you can for the situation, with the proviso that you be able to deliver sufficient rounds on target. Im curious as to why you only show five rounds of .45 LC with your Ruger. I also have a Ruger Redhawk in 45 Colt and I carry my hand loaded 300 gr hard cast bullets. No matter what anybody says, Shoemaker got lucky with that 9mm on the bear. you rig will protect you. Carrying a .38 snubbie in bear country is roughly akin to wearing a sandwich board that reads FREE LUNCH! Magnum revolver for not only armed defense against both two and four legged 480 ruger penetrated steel railroad plates by hitting so hard, the steel cracked and shattered. I am also, by trade, a Professional Land Surveyor, so my work hours are often spent in the remote wilderness areas. Penetration tests have shown that load to penetrate almost exactly the same distance as a standard hardcast 44 Magnum load. Youre just a hokey guy who tries to be funny by putting others down. Why dont you go out in the woods and try out some of your hollowpoints . Its very light and handy to carry. The authors well-worn, and well-loved Ruger Blackhawk in .45 Colt is a perfect handgun for bear country. Big hand guns buck like a mule, and even though adrenaline is flowing, that big gun will jump and you will have to push hard for that second shot, The .460 Roland doesnt rise as much as the .45 Colt. Im somewhat challenged with smartphone technology. Mountain lions are a protected species in California. My second firearm of choice because it works for two legged predator as well is my Springfield XDM 460 Rowland. coastal brown bear looks like at a distance of 50-75 feet! Methinks your anti-Judge/Governor bias is showing. Not handloading right now, so that obvious solution is not available; only factory ammo. In the end the animals will lose as even the anti-hunting crowd will realize that dangerous animals cannot be tolerated around civilization as there is no room for both humans and dangerous animals or wild animals that destroy crops. A powerful handgun with a tough, deep penetrating bullet is the key. Fly fishing in AK, and knocking around the woods I often carry a stainless charter target bulldog in 44 special. Exceptional combo when paired with the right revolver and load. I was hunting in Alaska well before most of your parents even drew a breath. Speaking of the 10mm, theres no mention. the sidearm nicely supplements the rifle, as a companion piece. No thanks. 66% of kills among collared mountain lions were mule deer. You should just mount a 50 cal. Natural enemies include other large predators such as bears, lions, and wolves. killed a mountain lion years back with a 3 inch 629, 240 grain hollow points, was not impressed. Though it is illegal under state law to kill a mountain lion to protect a pet, CPW has decided not to press charges. They eventually had to replace them with the Makarov series because of over-penetration. The first was many years ago when I was in Alaska. Browning on your sail boat, that will keep you happy ! If one only goes out when and where a mild breeze at most is at their back on a sunny day.. Well you get my drift. You would have had until between the 8 and the 6 to be unloading a gun into it , and still possibly wind up injured ! I have three loads that I shot, 200 gr. The next stage of the disease results in paralysis. Fortunately, I had a spare cap in my pocket. 10, 9, 8, 7, 6 hes ON TOP OF YOU CHOMPING ON YOUR SPINE and THE BACK OF YOUR HEAD ! a Ruger Blackhawk, chambered in .45 Colt, stainless finish with a 7 -inch barrel. I agree, a 9mm is not something I would trust. Im paraphrasing a bit here, but I once read an article by Bill Jordan about a new Weatherby rifle he was about to take on safari to Africa. My first choice is a Springfield XD 5 inch in 460 Rowland. You need to shoot a few of the +Ps every Spring to remember where they are hitting. No, probably not, but I would feel much better with this gun its easily concealable, doesnt weigh a whole lot, nor take up a lot of room than with no gun at all. Mountain Lions have been known to take out horses, cattle, sheep . Owing to circumstances at their place, I wasnt able to go. My choice is the 500 S&W. If I am packing meat, I carry it in a shoulder holster. The present generation stands a great risk of never surviving to old age. He has spent more than a bit of time in pursuit of bears, hogs, and other game animals with a handgun, in addition to time spent in the Alaskan game fields. Some dogs work together well enough to make a cat figure it's best to run but rarely will a pack of dogs be able to kill a cougar. Note on BLACK BEARS they have become highly predatory in Alaska. AFLoader, the Automated Universal Pistol Magazine Loader, https://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/species/mammals/grizzly/bear%20spray.pdf. He said none. The .45 Colt (L) and .454 Casull (R). Well there is some in one instance provided no less by the original fellow who created sells Bear Spray Now you find a lot of mumbo jumbo to suggest bear spray is no less effective that a firearms.. then the predictable firearms in parks concerns.. Firearms safety To sum up when you do read the common information .. A perfect shot to the brain may stop a griz or black bear with a smaller caliber but you cant count on a perfect shot every time. Hollow points are better for stopping large game if you are pushing a fairly large bullet, 250 grain and larger, at fairly high velocity 1400 fps +the larger bullet with the higher velocity will give you enough penetration for the hollow point to do its job. Yes I admit, Im a revolver person. I use it on my sailboat for protection in the Bahamas, to take out boat engines. 10 mm HAH why not hit the Bear with your Purse? In Alaska, meat is often removed from a kill site via a frame pack and two strong legs, and all that blood creates a scent trail like a flashing All-you-can-eat buffet advertisement. You need that big chunk of lead to penetrate deep and crush stuff as it goes. If that is the mountain lion in the background why is it field dressed. An attack by a pack of feral dogs is not anything like an encounter with a single individual or a shooting competition. I disagree one cant empty a glock into a bearIf that makes me a fool then I guess Ill continue to be one but I fire all those guns weekly having the benefit of a backyard range. HSM .45LC 325 grain is a real stopper. Most rangers will tell you a $50. They have been conditioned to hear a gun and equate it to a free meal. Next Especially when you carry an extra mag. wolves Babb said the attack occurred while the boy and his family were taking a break from riding all-terrain vehicles. For the most part, good info. @1,3000+ FPS, a 255 gr. Yes and no.. A 22 may kill a mountain lion, but a 44 magnum will kill their soul as well. Theres no such thing as overkill. Mountain lions actually have the largest hind legs (proportionally) of all the members of the cat family. What would be the minimum barrel length for any bear spanker? The female mountain lion in a chilling faceoff with a solo trail runner in Utah wasn't trying to kill him. Yea, a revolver and its speed loaders generally only hold 6 rounds each, but it can be reloaded very quickly. white-tailed deer This is a real concern on the outskirts of . 1400+ fpm with a 140-grain FMJ bullet out of a 4.5-inch barrel. Live in Alaska. A neighbor, 1/2 mile away lost some pheasants to one. Deerfield, IL School Superintendent Violates Illinois Law With Gun Control Call To Action, Armed Self-Defense Chronicles: When a Detroit Doctor Defended Himself and His Family Against a Racist Mob. Inside the house, condo, apartment, or indoors such should (https://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/species/mammals/grizzly/bear%20spray.pdf) The ultimate outcomeof this predatory performanceisn't clear, but watching a puma stalking a pair of bull elk makes for an unforgettable sighting. I dont recall if it ran on Discovery, National Geographic or The History Channel. Poisons, like these rodenticides, harm lions. Or even a simple GLOCK 10mm like the A.H.P. More is always better and the bullet is the key. Youre 100% correct. Sep 25, 2007. 44 mag power in a high cap auto loader. With bears you keep shooting until it stops moving your survival depends on tossing allot of big, heavy lead very fast. Question whats your life worth to you. Native to the Americas, the puma, also called the mountain lion, cougar, catamount or panther, often shares its habitat with several other top predators, such as wolves, bears, coyotes and jaguars. Those pesky day to day perils of life keep getting in the way. I also recommend if youre down to your last round and the bear is still coming, use the last round on yourself. Sounds like you have everything covered. Next post: AFLoader, the Automated Universal Pistol Magazine Loader, Previous post: Waterfowl Artillery: CZ Swamp Magnum, Your email address will not be published. Something else. But it is is at an angle to wind between about 1 degree and 360 degrees, your changes are slim to none. Can you shoot while on your back or while youre being chewed on? The study found that adult male lions were more likely to kill less but bigger prey than females. I am reminded of a survival show that aired a few years ago. Until just a few few years ago, the largest bear ever killed was by a young girl in Alaska. 7.62 mm (.32 cal) out of a necked-down 9mm case. If so, what is the problem? 8gr 800-X will put some lead into anyones pencil. A single action handgun is not a good choice as a defense weapon in any scenario. Ruger alaskan, or Taurus Raging Bull in 5 or 6.5 ported, .480 ruger with 400g hardcast pushing 1100fps or more. There are videos out there that show this gun/ammo combo going through both sides of the current US Army helmet. Cue the whining about how much of a shame it is to kill such a majestic animal. I have always heard, or read, that one should use heavy for caliber, hard cast lead bullets for bear. The bear biologist was tracking the animals when I stepped out of the woods and she told me how close we were to the bear. His dad stopped a charging brown with a .500 S&W pistol a few years ago. God Bless old Friend. A large bore hot load can be a challenge to control and difficult for multiple shots, while something like a 10mm in a good semi-auto allows for powerful rounds and multiple shots rapidly fired on target for many. My hunting partner puts his faith in the Colt .45, and it will get the job done. It would beat the pants off any .44mag for sure. The cougar chased Kyle Burgess, 26 . Their saliva or blood can kill you even after the animal itself is already dead. This one took exception.) I have been carrying my 1911 or my Taurus PT-92 for years and know what each round can do as a former US Army medic. The black bears have been stopped with pistols, rifles, shotguns and once with an ax. Tracy Ross 3:00 AM MST on Jan 1, 2023. That was my initial question as well. In fact, a shot from a .357 caliber revolver or a shotgun at close range is more likely to kill a mountain lion than an accidental discharge . There are many rifles to go with other calibers that would be nice to have same caliber bullet in pistol and rifle (i.e. I carefully googled this story using the locationImpossible to find any story that confirms that what you said id true. Before any bear country hunt I practice with it a lot. It took two more rounds to bring it down, running about 60 yards. The short barrel clears the holster fast and the Ruger frame is tougher than the S&W. For me, Id say whatever you have at the time is better than nothing. .357 magnum will probably work as long as you're not running into any bears .44 magnum is preferable. I like the S&W 460 as well. I am from Houston, TX. That is a political and social problem.. Into a wheel gun ! Their large hind legs also make them excellent at sprinting for short distances. 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