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It's just a mind crushing tedium. That's what I remember her saying. In my naive mind, I didn't have a clue what a big deal this was. JAD: So he's got to live his life as a toad with all this baggage on him? I just saw them as child abusers. ", And I called my husband again at work and said, "They want to know if we want to take the baby." Truth is, we dont know precisely how this happens but somehow the experience of starvation marks the DNA. Peanut butter, there we go. Females seem to hate laying eggs in the water, but is that the end of the story? Barbara started finding herself on panels with women who'd use drugs during their pregnancies. PAT: Who gave Destiny her first checkup told Barbara BARBARA HARRIS: That she was delayed and she was always going to be delayed because of her prenatal neglect. One time, and I'm on flighter. But what exactly Maybe you can explain this to me, Robert. Even if it helps, it's horrifying. So were getting close to the moment of truth, because there it is. So moms licking activates serotonin, and it's released onto brain cells in the hippocampus. Including a particular amphibian that plays a very big part in this story. LATIF: And as of 11:01 a.m. on Tuesday, when we're recording this, we have not broken the show. MICHAEL MEANEY: Mom's licking activates serotonin. But she says she doesn't feel that way anymore. She carries your kids for nine months and you're like, "That poor male toad.". View Radiolab_-_Inheritance_Questions.docx from BISC MISC at University of Mississippi. She's somewhere, but it's not good from what we've heard. Full disclosure, she's Robert's sister's partner. JAD: Now the Sweden story from our last segment left us both feeling a little strange. And I've got say, I'm feeling pretty good about this show so far. One time, and I'm on flighter. JAD: But were gonna play you stories where JAD: This is Radiolab. If you've already had a kid, you can be sterilized. Started with the tongue. ROBERT: [laughs] We now know that thats not the case. Who are they? And when methyl groups stick to that part of the DNA, the maternal instinct is effectively turned off. Just sing. PAT: As Barbara made the rounds on the daytime talk shows, the reaction was split right down the middle. More brain cells? You know? Since birth. And Barbara found herself returning to a thought she'd kind of always had. SAM KEAN: In a little community called verkalix. She and I snuck away from the children into her office. ROBERT: And this idea won him a lot of fans, including, not surprisingly, the Soviets. We neuter them.". [laughs[ So yeah, it's embarrassing, but I believe everything happens for a reason. She's 20 months old. ROBERT: Well, lets not get too excited too fast because we have a story to tell and this tale leaves me a little queasy. Barbara says they've reached out to her many times but they never heard back. So by now it's 1994, and Barbara is thinking You know? This assignment is from the free science education website Science Prof Online(ScienceProfOnline.com). Well, he thought it might have been an assistant trying to frame him because he was Jewish. SAM KEAN: They wanted to see basically the effects of starvation on multiple generations. I just have to read this to you. How was this woman allowed", BARBARA HARRIS: "To walk into the hospital and drop off a damaged baby and just walk away with no consequences?". Maybe you can explain this to me, Robert. And again, Barbara thinks, "Come on, but if this little girl is here, she should be with her brother and sister. Please welcome Barbara.]. This, of course, is Destiny. ROBERT: But, this hour were gonna fight this sort of sad sack feeling of inevitability and impotence. I mean that's a different kind of odds, but its DESTINY HARRIS: Hi, this is Destiny Harris. Plus, find other cool things we did in the past like miniseries, music videos, short films and animations, behind-the-scenes features, Radiolab live shows, and more. This is from 2002. DESTINY HARRIS: Honestly, I think it never seemed like she was anything but my real mom, if that makes sense. PAT: Have you ever had someone call or write you and say that they regret their decision? Michael was in school and he got interested in a very, very basic question about how things get passed down? Thats just the cold logic of Darwinian evolution. Twitter: @wnycradiolab Language: English Contact: WNYC Radio 160 Varick St. New York, NY 10013 (646) 829-4000 Website: http://www.wnyc.org/shows/radiolab/ Email: radiolab@wnyc.org Episodes Golden Goose 2/17/2023 More Because while you might have a lot of influence, you know, genetically speaking, over your kids and their kids, you don't seem to have a lot of control. This week The Science Show introduces Radiolab from WNYC in New York City. We had an expression here, "Dig where you stand." Who are you? She and I snuck away from the children into her office. He's not even eating at all. SAM KEAN: Basically, the midwife toad has a strange habit for toads. PAT: So Barbara and her son got in the car and drove across town to the foster home where Destiny had been living for the past eight months. JAD: He works at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden where he studies population data. Barbara Harris says she's convinced more than a dozen women], Have accepted her offer to be sterilized in return for money.]. More brain cells? JAD: Michael was in school and he got interested in a very, very basic question about how things get passed down? MICHAEL MEANEY: Yeah, you can't touch that. Thanks to Olov Bygren, reporter Pejk Malinovski and Karin Borgkvist Ljung, and I'm a senior archivist at the National Archive in Marieberg in Stockholm. PEJK MALINOVSKI: And we have a lot more grain here. I mean, he hates water. [ARCHIVAL CLIP, BARBARA HARRIS: These people are paying millions of dollars to take care of your children!]. And if you were eating a whole lot between 9 and 12, one-quarter. More information about Sloan at. You know, they say it only takes one time. They won't grow much on the outside, but on the inside That is the time where the sperms are developing. He had one remaining midwife toad. JAD: It's off-limits. JAD: In any case, these books tell you when each of these folks died, how they died. JAD: So then over the next 70 some odd years, Lamarck basically became the poster boy for, like, the big dumb idea, the idea that you want to believe in but that you know isn't true. ], [ARCHIVAL CLIP, BARBARA HARRIS: That's their choice, but the babies don't have a choice.]. JAD: To fellow named Jean-Baptiste Pierre Antoine de Monet, chevalier de Lamarck. SAM KEAN: No, they did not have them on land. Everybody we talked to seems to think there's something really interesting going on here. You mean, if you had a starving grandfather, you would be a healthier boy for the because you had a starving grandfather? PEJK MALINOVSKI: It's not very politically correct, huh? SAM KEAN: What's happening during this time is that you're setting aside the stock of cells that you're going to draw on in the future to make sperm cells. Your boys will first grow taller and taller for the next few years, and when they get to be about 9, 10 years old, they're going to stop growing just for a few years. I said, "This will be the last one. You're not leaving this hospital unless you have long-term birth control.". PAT: And I just felt like it was in one of those moments that contains everything that's good about us as people. PAT: I like you, I get the sense that there's a lot of warmth in you. MICHAEL MEANEY: I think the Swedish data are really, really strong, and very reliable. And in one day, we can imagine, he gets curious. OLOV BYGREN: Well, for cardiovascular disease JAD: Olov told us, take heart disease. About 30 years ago-. All these chemicals racing by crashing into it, sticking, and one of the bits that gets covered up is that little bit that makes the proteins that create a maternal instinct. PEJK MALINOVSKI: He was an idiot. Assuming that you can survive the ordeal, and you grow up, and you have kids of your own, the data seems to say that your kids will benefit from your suffering. You know? I could have turned out like some of the other kids. Like shed give the women a choice. But it failed. PAT: And she says, one day, this idea just came to her. SMITTY HARRIS: He was just You know, most babies are kinda peaceful, he was never really peaceful. And since Kammerer kept the heat up, toads basically had to stay there, in this watery place that they had not evolved for. I mean, for one thing, Barbara's white and Destiny's black. We travel to Ukraine to follow a shipment of abortion pills, and discover a complicated conversation about pregnancy and choice in wartime. LULU: Oh actually, real thing, before we go, Latif. JAD: Just to be sure, we asked Frances Champagne what she thinks of this data. The show is nationally syndicated and is available as a podcast. The critical part of this Is that all these changes wake up this little gang of proteins. Yeah. Visit our website terms of use at www.wnyc.org for further information. Frankly, this makes being 9, 10, 11, 12 like a rather crucial. JAD: I want to start with a parental day dream for a second. Yeah. She's not offering treatment, she's not offering counseling, and there are programs that do that. Then, Carl told us about this research that showed JAD: Well, he couldn't quite remember the details. When you first hear about this, what goes through your mind? And then that baby would stretch and stretch, and it would give a little more stretching to its baby. You dont really say it to yourself that way, but yeah. Well, I mean, Hitler thought that if you were Jewish, that you had given up the right to be a mother and hed sterilize people as well. JAD: [expletive] That was awesome. JAD: [laughs] Youre just just judo, that's all this is. In RadioLab a laboratory setting is used, in which the player receives radioactive stones that emit alpha, beta and gamma radiation particles. [ARCHIVAL Clip, Panel: Well, I mean, Hitler thought that if you were Jewish, that you had given up the right to be a mother and hed sterilize people as well. Support Radiolab by becoming a member of The Lab today. ROBERT: And it just so happens this town is a perfect place to dig. What a name, you've got to like this guy. She was thinking Can I offer these women money to use birth control? PAT: Destiny says one day, she and her mom were in the car, and her mom said DESTINY HARRIS: She said, "I don't know, you know, maybe they'll grow bigger? JAD: Its an idea thats been kicking around for me since my kids were born. BARBARA HARRIS: This is 750 and this is 200. Yes. MICHAEL MEANEY: Yes. PAT'S DAD: Calling in to help read the credits. SAM KEAN: It seemed to have been passed down for multiple generations. He thought that because theyre swinging hammers all day, they got big bulky muscles, and then theyd pass the muscles to their children. JAD: Well think about what makes proteins. Radiolab is supported in part by the National Science Foundation and by the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation, enhancing public understanding of science and technology in the modern world. OLOV BYGREN: Methylations, phosphorylation, and so on. And when methyl groups stick to that part of the DNA, the maternal instinct is effectively turned off. [ARCHIVAL Clip, News: Who, together, pledged more than $150,000 to her program.]. Were less prone to diabetes. PAT: In this magazine article, Barbara even said, quote, "We don't allow dogs to breed. Maybe they'd try and jump back out, but it was still hot so they'd have to jump back in. JAD: Turning down a job that they'd offered him. But she says, you can tell right away, just by looking, that some rat moms don't lick their kids a lot. PAT: Watching this, I couldn't help but think that Destiny's very existence is probably the most interesting argument against what Barbara is doing. Yeah, thats it. Olov told us, take heart disease. CARL ZIMMER: And he says, "This isn't a nuptial pad, it looks darkened but that's just ink.". The little baby that we keep hearing in the background of everything. Filled with dozens of letters from women that she's paid. What does that mean, he was an idiot? And the incredible thing is, those marks stick around. PAT: Yeah. Well, I guess I was thinking we could just start at the beginning. Peanut butter, there we go. That's the headline for his talk, and then CARL ZIMMER: Right below the headlines says, "Scientist's great discovery which may change us all.". We'll just be honest. Or is it? Through all the training that we had to do and first aid, fingerprinted and had a background check done. And you have to bear in mind that at this point, it only had one hand left. And even though they look basically nothing alike. BARBARA HARRIS: And when I found out the bill didn't pass, I just thought, "I have to come up with something else. I know I've been joking a lot in this interview, but I mean it with all that I am. [ARCHIVAL Clip, News: Barbara Harris's solution is simpler than anything else out there. You can do this. Plus, find other cool things we did in the past like miniseries, music videos, short films and animations, behind-the-scenes features, Radiolab live shows, and more. He's 22, 23, and he already had this reputation for being amazing at keeping animals alive, that otherwise would just die. Because the Soviets, they believe in Karl Marx's idea that human beings were an improvable species, that if you can change the conditions around people, you change the people. I know I've been joking a lot in this interview, but I mean it with all that I am. ROBERT: But then, a few years would pass, crops would bounce back. SECTION I - Story 1 (Lamark, Krammerer & the Midwife Toads) 1. PAT: The question that was stuck in my head right then was, "If you could choose between being born knowing that your life might end up like that and not like it is now, or not been born at all, what would you have done?". And in one day, we can imagine, he gets curious. Radiolab is on YouTube! Like, mine are bigger, you know." That the licking is changing the baby's DNA? There's going to be this massacre of toads and only a few lucky ones are going to survive. PAT: And all over the political spectrum, from Hollywood lefties to social conservatives. Visit our website. Birth mother's name was actually the same as me, so, Barbara. CARL ZIMMER: He's not just talking about toads anymore, he's gone way beyond toads. As he's doing his rounds, he stops by the midwife toad terrarium, he looks down at that little male toad with grapes stuck to his legs and he wonders, "How adaptable is that little guy?" Part 2 of our collaboration with Radiolab. All rights reserved. JAD: And what about the four kids that weren't raised with Barbara? He was born in 1880 in Vienna, Jewish family. Just don't have any more children because, at that point, I didn't really know any of them. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: I think that's where Lamarck's ideas can be woven in and make some sense. LYNN PALTROW: I think I was really horrified and terrified. CARL ZIMMER: She carries your kids for nine months and you're like, "That poor male toad.". No, she was an oops kid. ROBERT: What does it look like? Hi, this is Will, calling from Northumberland, England. Then, Carl told us about this research that showed Well, he couldn't quite remember the details. And one of them is called the thyroid system. And they had more. JAD: I initially felt very hopeful and excited about this research because it seems to suggest that a body, one body can respond to an environment and change and be flexible in a way we didn't think was possible. Baby, be careful. I guess retard. What's happening during this time is that you're setting aside the stock of cells that you're going to draw on in the future to make sperm cells. Go to him. My mom needed a girl and, boop! How do these simple little traits get passed forward? KARIN BORGKVIST LJUNG: Cancer. So thats the reason, of course, that we work with rats because we can get inside the brain. What's he talking about? Transcripts and recorded audio may be available for many of the programs you hear on WNYC. You are not God. JAD: I think all parents do this, is that you slip into this Lamarckian delusion that JAD: What you do with your kids can somehow rewrite all of that. Nobody has a right to do that to a baby. JAD: Michael and Frances looked inside the brains of these rats and what they saw was that the rats who had been licked a lot as babies, they had more stuff in their head. Or is it? CARL ZIMMER: He was mighty skeptical. I guess retard. He is passionate about scholarly writing, World History, and Political sciences. She filled out the forms went BARBARA HARRIS: Through all the training that we had to do and first aid, fingerprinted and had a background check done. [ARCHIVAL CLIP, Jad Abumrad: Well lets lets read the book first. The bit of DNA that will give this baby when it grows up the instincts to be nice to its baby, and lick that baby. But with the midwife toad, the female Lays her eggs on land and then the male midwife toad comes along And actually kind of sticks them to his back legs, like a bunch of whitish grapes, and then hops around with them basically until they hatch. LYNN PALTROW: Tell me what your image of a drug-using pregnant woman is. That is a bad way to start a kid's life but that's just the beginning of the kid's life. LATIF: And as of 11:01 a.m. on Tuesday, when were recording this, we have not broken the show. OLOV BYGREN: The results are quite obvious. ROBERT: Well, that's the good news, but unfortunately there is some bad news here. ROBERT: You mean, if you had a starving grandfather, you would be a healthier boy for the because you had a starving grandfather? They've seen it and they've repeated the experience. She's 22 now and she's never even met her birth mom. I just didn't think. You're eight, sorry. If you were a boy in verkalix between the ages of 9 and 12 years old, that's the window, 9 to 12, you're a boy, and then we have one of those terribly rough winters, and you're eating much less than normal. His famous example was giraffes. PAT WALTERS: Mamaw was the one I'd come to see. As to diabetes, it was a four-fold risk. Meet Jeremiah! And I was a waitress, I worked for IHOP for over 30 years. LULU: In a very real way, weve been thinking a lot about inheritance. They lived longer lives, something like 30 years on average. And if you haven't, you can choose to have an IUD, or an implant put in which will last for several years. All right, I'll get in the water." Inheritance Radiolab Podcast Genetics Homework Assignment Homework assignment on the Radiolab podcast 'Inheritance', developed for a college-level cell biology class. ROBERT: He was a born nurturer and he adored animals. JAD: Thats just the cold logic of Darwinian evolution. Move on to the next cage yes, no? My situation turned out positive. Well, its offensive. Not usually because it upsets people and I'm Canadian. ROBERT: So then the one that's in trouble, so thats one of one of eight? This lady right here is still taking drugs and she could be pregnant again next month.]. That, in a sort of ass backward way was Michael's question. Once their born, their genes are fixed and change does not happen in a generation or two. You must have internet access to do this). JAD: No, not brain cells. I make a difference to her. That kind of 30 years? That the licking is changing the baby's DNA? PAT: And by this point, she's 37 years old. ROBERT: Which turn out to be an interesting thing to look at it because the people in verkalix who were farming SAM KEAN: Trying to eke a living out of the soil. Taylor Swift's Never Getting Back Together. Move on to the next cage, yes, no? I wonder. I mean, when you look at the records, you don't see huge spikes in mortality. And youre saying that part of the DNA is covered up? The sneaky idea here is that the blacksmiths, the giraffes, they made it happen. ROBERT: Although, you know, sometimes that your grandfather's suffering helps you. His famous example was giraffes. You can't see that on the radio but, hey, it's a fact of life. In this episode, originally aired in 2012, we put nature and nurture on a collision course and discover how outside forces can find a way inside us, and chan You don't think that they should have their children back?]. They both say that they actually often forget that they're not biologically related. Wait, when you say they can choose to be sterilized, you mean permanent? You feel kind of hemmed in by what your grandfather did? The team that creates each episode, including hosts Jad Abumrad and Robert Krulwich, are master storytellers. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: I mean, when you think of Kammerer, there was a report in science outlining a theory about how Kammerer's toads got these characteristics FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: that invoked these epigenetic inheritance and imprinted genes and it made it plausible. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: You have to do that for five hours a day for six consecutive days. Yes. Were there any consequences? You have to do that for five hours a day for six consecutive days. You dont really say it to yourself that way, but yeah. LATIF: Oh you said it so much more diplomatically. PAT: She actually emailed me afterwards and adjusted that number down a couple hundred. LYNN PALTROW: Are there people whose drug use is so out of control they can't parent? JAD: But according to Kammerer, here's what happened when he heated up the toads little cage. They began to grow these all puffy things on their hands. CHARLOTTE ZIMMER: Radiolab is supported in part by the National Science Foundation and CHARLOTTE and VERONICA ZIMMER: The Alfred P. Sloan Foundation. Except he had one. SAM KEAN: And these effects, in fact, were so strong that you could trace it to the grandfather. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: There's a normal distribution, right? PAT: Isaiah would sleep and he would scream. JAD: So imagine the DNA in that brain cell. ROBERT: But the results are very clear. He's not even eating at all. And there were from the beginning. He thought that because theyre swinging hammers all day, they got big bulky muscles, and then theyd pass the muscles to their children. The reason they're more aroused is that the mom's licking activates the release of adrenaline and noradrenaline in the pup. [ARCHIVAL CLIP, Jad Abumrad: Whats that called?]. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: Putting this into context, you know, you have a rat mom and they have about 16 to 20 babies. I'm graduating in December. ROBERT: So, of course the folks at the Vivarium asked him. I wonder how much you believe in it. Nobody's arguing that women should do drugs when they're pregnant. CARL ZIMMER: And when it came time to mate, the males and the females, they would mate in the water. PEJK MALINOVSKI: Here we have how much they harvested. Big questions are. They have found very similar effects for smoking, for instance. The event that really sets this story in motion, the set of events, happened a few months after Barbara had brought Destiny home. She'll be two in January. But this stuff you're telling me about Sweden feels very grim in a certain way. Maybe they'd try and jump back out, but it was still hot so they'd have to jump back in. I think what's weird here is that is that we started trying to make a difference in our children and now we're surprise attacked by our grandparents. And you have to bear in mind that at this point, it only had one hand left. ], Like you said, when you were in your addiction like she is], I didn't say I'm God. Yeah, it was a very attractive theory to them in Moscow. ROBERT: [laughs] "This may hurt you my son, but I'm doing it for my grandchildren.". BARBARA HARRIS: That's how we ended up with four of them. SAM KEAN: Darwin's theory would have said, you know, 90% of the toads are going to die. She asked my opinion and that's what I'm giving. PAT: So by now it's 1994, and Barbara is thinking PAT: You know? Radiolab believes your ears are a portal to another world. Yeah, there you go. And then that baby would stretch and stretch, and it would give a little more stretching to its baby. BARBARA HARRIS: Barbara Harris. She should be with me. I said, "No, no, that's okay." Can you say oh my goodness? I'm in public health. Maybe like those methyl things we were telling you about with the rats. PAT: I asked Barbara about some of the things that she'd said because, to be totally honest, they kind of turn my stomach. We talked to her for a little while and PAT: At a certain point the social worker pulls out a stack of papers. I didn't see them as people. I didn't see them as people. It would be wrong to think that they represent all women who use drugs while they're pregnant. [ARCHIVAL CLIP, BARBARA HARRIS: I feel that they should all be sterilized. And she says, one day, this idea just came to her. OLOV BYGREN: Yes, we are really data-rich. PAT: Over the past five years, if you look at our tax return. Tell me what your image of a drug-using pregnant woman is. But at that point just two of the six boys were living at home, Brian and Rodney. MICHAEL MEANEY: Kick off certain hormonal systems. And I packed up my stuff, it's pretty much done. Well think about it, this is nature and nurture slamming into each other. Brain disease. That doesn't matter. And when I found out the bill didn't pass, I just thought, "I have to come up with something else. Who, together, pledged more than $150,000 to her program.]. That was nice. Because here's the thing, the churches up in verkalix kept incredibly detailed records. He had one remaining midwife toad. It's such a surprising result. I mean, they didn't have porridge. A couple of days later, I had already bonded with her so much, it was as if I gave birth to her. ], [ARCHIVAL CLIP, Jad Abumrad: How bout this one?]. In pictures, he has that, you know, that crazy Einstein fuzzy hair thing. Accuracy and availability may vary. He was miserable to look at. The women who I've worked with, who've had a history of drug problems, aren't like the examples that she gives. This lady right here is still taking drugs and she could be pregnant again next month.]. ROBERT: And rewrite the so-called rules of genetics. 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